Braggert in Chief Strikes Again.....

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blackirishkarma
Joined: 09 Aug 2013, 03:20

16 May 2017, 02:19 #1

https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-tr ... 28590.html

Now the moron is endangering US intelligence sources on the ground in order to brag about how good US intelligence is. How much more proof of his blatant incompetence do we need before we send this idiot back to reality TV where he belongs?
The increase of misery in the present state of society is parallel and equal to the increase of wealth..... Unknown member of Parliament 1840's
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Flattop
Joined: 17 Nov 2008, 18:31

16 May 2017, 12:16 #2

McMaster says it didn't happen.
"It'd be nice to please everyone but I thought it would be more interesting to have a point of view."
-- Oscar Levant
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blackirishkarma
Joined: 09 Aug 2013, 03:20

16 May 2017, 13:40 #3

That's not exactly true....

McMaster worded a statement to suggest that he didn't directly give away a source or the methodology used to gather the information. What has been said is that he gave the information and the location that it came from which would make it relatively easy for the Russians to find the source. 

At best this means they have lost the source for future use. At worst Trump's big mouth bragging because he is a mental 8 year old has endangered the very existance of the source. In either case it was in idiotic thing to do. 
The increase of misery in the present state of society is parallel and equal to the increase of wealth..... Unknown member of Parliament 1840's
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Flattop
Joined: 17 Nov 2008, 18:31

16 May 2017, 22:37 #4

McMaster


insisted Tuesday that Trump's revelations to Russian officials about
the terrorist threat from the Islamic State group were "wholly
appropriate" and amounted to a routine sharing of information.  McMaster added that none of the U.S. officials present for the
president's Oval Office meeting with the Russian foreign minister last
week "felt in any way that that conversation was inappropriate." He used
the words "wholly appropriate" nine separate times.
McMaster, in a White House briefing, said: "In the context of that
discussion, what the president discussed with the foreign minister was
wholly appropriate to that conversation and is consistent with the
routine sharing of information between the president and any leaders
with whom he is engaged."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... smsnnews11
"It'd be nice to please everyone but I thought it would be more interesting to have a point of view."
-- Oscar Levant
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blackirishkarma
Joined: 09 Aug 2013, 03:20

17 May 2017, 01:48 #5

Yes... I saw McMaster's interview and read what he had to say. Unfortunately, numerous intelligence officials disagree. The fact that this was information that was from sources that could be compromised by giving it to the Russians tends to slant things in the direction that McMaster is wrong in his assessment. 

The fact that NSA officials had to react by contacting the sources of this information and apologizing for Trump's actions also tends to point toward the fact that McMaster's assessment is wrong. 

Trump, for no other discernible reason except that he is an adolescent mentality who likes to brag; endangered sources and virtually ruined the possibility that we will get more intel from these sources. Any way you slice it; it was a monumentally STUPID thing to do. 
The increase of misery in the present state of society is parallel and equal to the increase of wealth..... Unknown member of Parliament 1840's
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Flattop
Joined: 17 Nov 2008, 18:31

18 May 2017, 00:31 #6

It seems that Israel was the source.  Hm, maybe that is who NSA officials called to apologize to.
"It'd be nice to please everyone but I thought it would be more interesting to have a point of view."
-- Oscar Levant
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Flattop
Joined: 17 Nov 2008, 18:31

18 May 2017, 00:32 #7

As president, Trump has the legal power to declassify information. He
also has the authority to share information with whomever he wants,
including foreign adversaries.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-le ... d=47436559
"It'd be nice to please everyone but I thought it would be more interesting to have a point of view."
-- Oscar Levant
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Flattop
Joined: 17 Nov 2008, 18:31

18 May 2017, 00:40 #8

President Trump has been sloppy, arrogant, and just plain misguided
plenty of times during his short tenure in office — including the way he
handled the firing of FBI Director James Comey and the hiring and
firing of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. And if he did
unnecessarily compromise the source of the sensitive information he
shared with the Russians, shame on him.

But a president cannot be
removed from office for arrogance and sloppiness. The Constitution sets
specific grounds for impeachment. They are "treason, bribery, and other
high crimes and misdemeanors." To be impeached and removed from office,
the House and Senate must find that the official committed one of these
acts.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/16/this-lat ... ntary.html
"It'd be nice to please everyone but I thought it would be more interesting to have a point of view."
-- Oscar Levant
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blackirishkarma
Joined: 09 Aug 2013, 03:20

18 May 2017, 13:52 #9

Flattop wrote:As president, Trump has the legal power to declassify information. He
also has the authority to share information with whomever he wants,
including foreign adversaries.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-le ... d=47436559
I have no disagreement with the fact that it was legal. The way our system works is that the President has the power to declassify anything he wants for the most part. That doesn't change the fact that he endangered a source that from all accounts was so secret that we hadn't shared with our closest allies for fear that doing so would endanger them. It was a monumentally stupid thing to do. 

Add to that the later explanation by McMaster and others that Trump didn't know where the intel came from as a defense and you have more proof of his basic stupidity and lazy way of doing business. He SHOULD care enough about where such intel comes from to read the whole thing and absorb both the information AND where it came from so that he would have better judgment about whether to spread it around while bragging like an 8 year old. 

As far as I am concerned both Trump AND the NSA people failed miserably in this instance. Trump for not knowing or caring where the information came from and the NSA for not making sure he understood it was not to be indiscriminately shared. 
The increase of misery in the present state of society is parallel and equal to the increase of wealth..... Unknown member of Parliament 1840's
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blackirishkarma
Joined: 09 Aug 2013, 03:20

18 May 2017, 17:20 #10

Flattop wrote:President Trump has been sloppy, arrogant, and just plain misguided
plenty of times during his short tenure in office — including the way he
handled the firing of FBI Director James Comey and the hiring and
firing of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. And if he did
unnecessarily compromise the source of the sensitive information he
shared with the Russians, shame on him.

Shame on him? Let me get this straight, Clinton sloppily and carelessly handles secure information on a server and she should be locked up. Trump moronically hands top secret information to an enemy supporting Syria that could get sources in the field killed and shame on him? 

We both agree what he did was technically legal. We seem to disagree about how dangerously stupid and careless it was. Since we have been dealing with terrorist factions attempting to kill innocent Americans we have become increasingly dependent on intelligence from inside such groups that is very scarce and very hard to come by to do so. What Trump did basically destroyed that source of information if he in fact didn't get that person killed he most assuredly proved to them and others possibly like them that we can't be trusted to give such information to. I don't view that as a minor problem. If the very top of our government can't be trusted to protect such information we have a system that becomes unworkable.


But a president cannot be
removed from office for arrogance and sloppiness. The Constitution sets
specific grounds for impeachment. They are "treason, bribery, and other
high crimes and misdemeanors." To be impeached and removed from office,
the House and Senate must find that the official committed one of these
acts.http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/16/this-lat ... commentary.html

Agreed. Obstruction of justice is definitely on the list. It was what got Nixon run out of office. If it is proven, it will also get Trump run out as well. 



 
 
The increase of misery in the present state of society is parallel and equal to the increase of wealth..... Unknown member of Parliament 1840's
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